"Notice of Infringement"
I recieved an email this morning entitled, "Notice of Infringement" from "Yahoo! Copyright Agent". It is concerning a HUGEGANTIC list of messages posted at the my MadTeaParty debate group.
The whole thing started a few months back when a new member at the MTP (MadTeaParty) got off on the wrong foot with some of the other members there. It lead to a series of back and forth bickering and insulting that I as the group's only moderator was having great difficulty attempting to keep the order. In the end this member claimed that she was going to report one of the other members to Yahoo! itself. Now I like to think I run a pretty fair group. Compared with 75% (if not more) of Yahoo!'s other services the MTP is rather tame. I didn't feel there was any reason to go over my head to Yahoo! as if there were any serious problem I would have as moderator taken care of it myself. Besides, reporting things said at the MTP to Yahoo! could possibly get the group disbanned. It's easy to imagine Yahoo! just shutting the whole thing down than have to deal with finding out what really was said. I told her if she or anybody else started reporting things to Yahoo! that she would be banned by me from the MTP. Why would I want such a person in the group? She got all shitty about it and started making threats. I removed her. Later I discovered an email that she had sent me personally (before I banned her) basically asking that I delete every message that everyone ever made in reply to her and she would then delete all the messages she had made:
Hatter,
I thought I'd like to write to in an attempt to see ifn we might be
able to negotiate a peaceful settlement. I am certainly not happy with the
situation as it stands. I think it is fairly clear that Ron, DB and TR
have preexisting resentments which make it impossible for them to deal with
me a/o reason this matter wiith fact or clarity. Honestly they rumor such
garbage, a hodge podge of purposelyfully misrepresentive facts about me.
On one hand, I have my own self serving interests, on the other hand, I
feel some social responsiblity. It is incorrect to harrass folks as they do
+ with character defamation and such obsenities. On the other hand, it
is not my place to stand up for others who suffer their abuses. However I
also feel that I have adequately demonstrated that one does not necc. have
to tolerate such treatment.
So, my concern, is perhaps, better suited to focus on my own self
interests.
To this respect, I am willing to offer you an incentive: if you delete all
Thalprin correspondence since I joined (all replies and responses and
posts concering me and my addy) I will delete all my posts and I will
unsubscribe.
I think it is clear that these three folks are incapable of controling
their anger and actions towards me, and, honestly, I hate to see them get
into trouble as foul mouthed, deceptive and ill mannered as they are.
Besides, I think or hope they've learned their lesson.
So, I am willing to let bygones be bygones and just act like the whole
thing never happened.
Truth is, I well realize, that they seem incapable of being able to
control themselves or stop harrassing me. They started it, and quite awhile
ago and on it will continue because that's how they intend to act + they self
reinforce each other to continue these abusive cycles. So there will
be no fun of discussion for me (and many others ie "everyone on their list" I
imagine) at MPT and MTP is unlikely to be a place I feel welcomed.
I did not realize this when I joined. That's one of the problems with folks
using so many different names. I thought the group looked fun. Then I
thought perhaps I could reason with them. Then I was angry for a bit. And now
I realize who they are and that chip on their shoulder aint going
away.
Having said this, and having made this offer, let me be clear that, I
am 100% certain that if I filed complaints I would see my requests honored
and met.
I'd perfer it not come to this. I really am quite civil. I have no
interest in disrupting your group or seeing it deleted. I had every
interest in adding to it's content. However I simply can't/won't
accept having such obsenities, misrep. and slander archived or in
circulation about me.
Give it some thought, and let me know your thoughts.
Best wishes,
Terrie
If I would have gone along with this nearly two whole months of material would of been deleted. I don't have the time for that.
She also sent me another email:
I have just a note to add, having just received a rather impolite note attempting to bully me from DB.
She claims that I have been responsible for closing more than one list,
and while I understand that she is your friend, I'd like to explain (and
demonstrate that) sometimes friends simply aren't entirely honest.
For example, in the nearly five years I have been on the net I have
seen two groups close.
The first group closing happened like this, and it was a group I liked
alot.
Three new people joined that list and harrassed me nonstop from the
get go until I wanted to leave. As much as I liked the man who ran the
list I simply couldn't remain, which, yes, is probably what they wanted.
So I wrote him a note to tell him I was leaving and he wrote me back to
say that he was going to close the list, which, yes, probably he did it to
piss these people off, which it did and they wanna blame me for. However,
I diid not force him to close his list nor did I ruin it, these other folks
did. They picked a battle, they felt they'd won a battle, and they didn't get
to enjoy the fruits of their labor, this he denied them - justly so, I think
AND unforunately, they wanna blame me.
The next list I was on I also enjoyed until, again, I was harrassed and
then (in addition) censored so as to not be able to respond. Of course,
the ranting was being allowed to be posted, but I was not being allowed to
respond. I understand that folks have friends and feel loyalty to
them, but there is also in all fairness, fairness as a right as well. And
just then the group changed flavor into such as no good/right, no bad/wrong,
and it's all consciousness/not real, instead of history, theory and maths -
basically, that which I found philosophically disharmonic with my own
thoughts. Further the owner of that list intended to keep my maths and
philos in his archive, something I found objectionable, I felt if the
list was going to have a new focus, so entirely different from my own
viewpoints that I was not going to support it or appear as if I did. When
I told the owner that I was going to delete my maths he blocked my e-mail
addy to prevent me from doing so.
I wrote him three times over a six month period to request that he not
deny my right to exercise control over my own materials. I also forewarned
him each time that it was an infringement of my IPRs. He had plenty of
time and plenty of forewarning and three sensible requests to do the right
thing.
At a certain point I had no choice but to file a complaint. There were
several actions that couldn't been taken and I was surprised the group
was closed down. I can only speculate as to why the CR agent decided that
was the correct action to take.
I am really not a horrible person, not at all, rumors and misreps
aside.
Then I get this email today from Yahoo!:
Re: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/madteaparty/
Terrie Halprin has notified Yahoo! Inc. ("Yahoo!") that copyrighted material proprietary to Terrie Halprin has been posted in connection with Yahoo!® Group madteaparty. Terrie Halprin has further notified Yahoo! that the Yahoo!® Group in question has no authorization to post the material in question:
Messages:
43941, 43942, 43945, 43946, 43948, 43964, 43965,
43966, 43967, 43968, 43970, 43971, 43860, 43863,
43865, 43867, 43870, 43875, 43878, 43880, 43883,
43888, 43889, 43767, 43768, 43771, 43772, 43774,
43776, 43780, 43781, 43783, 43785, 43877, 43879,
43800, 43801, 43802, 43803, 43804, 43807, 43808,
43809, 43679, 43681, 43686, 43687, 43688, 43692,
43694, 43695, 43697, 43699, 43702, 43707, 43708,
43601, 43608, 43621, 43623, 43626, 43627, 43629,
43632, 43633, 43634, 43635, 43647, 43649, 43650,
43651, 43652, 43653, 43654, 43655, 43514, 43515,
43516, 43517, 43518, 43521, 43522, 43523, 43524,
43526, 43527, 43538, 43539, 43540, 43541, 43543,
43544, 43549, 43551, 43417, 43418, 43419, 43420,
43421, 43425, 43428, 43429, 43432, 43435, 43439,
43440, 43443, 43444, 43445, 43446, 43448, 43449,
43452, 43259, 43261, 43271, 43272, 43273, 43275,
43356, 43363, 43364, 43365, 43368, 43369, 43370,
43371, 43381, 43187, 43188, 43189, 43191, 43193,
43194, 43195, 43200, 43201, 43203, 43205, 43222,
43224, 42225, 43226, 43227, 43229, 43109, 43110,
43111, 43112, 43115, 43116, 43130, 43128, 43136,
43160, 43161, 43162, 43164, 43167, 43080, 43081,
43086, 43087, 43088, 43089, 43090, 43092, 43094,
43095, 43096, 43101, 43102, 43172, 43175, 43177,
43031, 43053, 43073, 43076, 43077, 43078, 42923,
42924, 42945, 42926, 42927, 42928, 42936, 42939,
42949, 42950, 42951, 42962, 42981, 42982, 42989,
43002, 42845, 42846, 42848, 42859, 42865, 42900,
42902, 42903, 42905, 42911, 42913, 42916, 42917,
42757, 42759, 42760, 42762, 42763, 42770, 42771,
42772, 42775, 42776, 42787, 42792, 42794, 42795,
42796, 42799, 42704, 42705, 42706, 42708, 42710,
42711, 42713, 42714, 42715, 42716, 42718, 42719,
42720, 42721, 42722, 42723, 42725, 42647, 42648,
42644, 42645, 42647, 42648, 42649, 42653, 42659,
42660, 42661, 42663, 42664, 42665, 42666, 42667,
42669, 42674, 42675, 42676, 42537, 42542, 42545,
42549, 42550, 42573, 42574, 42586, 42587, 42593,
42596, 42619
Yahoo! respects the rights of both its users and the owners and rights holders of intellectual property. Accordingly, and in compliance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and/or other applicable federal law(s), Yahoo! intends to expeditiously remove or disable access to the copyrighted material in question. PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT UNLESS THE MATERIAL IN QUESTION IS REMOVED, OR ACCESS TO THE MATERIAL IS DISABLED, WITHIN FORTY-EIGHT (48) HOURS, YAHOO! INTENDS TO DISABLE ACCESS TO THE MATERIAL.
Through your participation in Yahoo!® Groups you agree to abide by the Yahoo! Terms of Service, as well as any additional Terms of Service, applicable to you. The current Yahoo! Terms of Service may be reviewed at: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms. Pursuant to Section 6 of the Terms of Service, Member Conduct, the use of Yahoo!® services to "upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights . . . of any party" is prohibited.
As you know, Yahoo! may terminate any and/or all services and accounts without notice. This notice is provided to you as a courtesy. Without waiving or limiting any rights or remedies Yahoo! has or may have, as the designated owner of the madteaparty group you are hereby advised that our receipt of another notification alleging the unauthorized posting of another party's intellectual property in connection with any Yahoo!® Group may result in not only the suspension of all Yahoo!® Groups for which you are the designated owner, but the termination of all of your Yahoo! services as well as the deactivation of your Yahoo! ID.
If you wish to attempt to resolve the matter by dealing with Terrie Halprin directly, Terrie Halprin may be contacted at:
By Email: thalprin@hotmail.com
If you believe that the madteaparty group was designated by Terrie Halprin by mistake or misidentification, or if you believe that the madteaparty group has not infringed the copyrights of Terrie Halprin, you may submit a sworn counter-notification as to the mistake or misidentification. To be effective, counter-notifications shall be in writing and include:
1. Identification of the material that has been removed or to which access has been disabled, including the location at which the material appeared before it was removed or access to it was disabled;
2. A statement under penalty of perjury that you have a good faith belief that the material was removed or disabled as a result of mistake or misidentification;
3. Your name, address and telephone number, and a statement that you consent to the jurisdiction of the Federal District Court for the judicial district in which the address provided by you is located (or if the address provided by you is outside the United States, you consent to the jurisdiction of the Federal District Court for any judicial district in which Yahoo! may be found), and that you will accept service of process from the complaining party or its agent; and
4. Your physical or electronic signature on the counter-notification.
Any counter-notification shall be submitted to Yahoo!'s Copyright Agent in accordance with the contact information provided at:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/copyright/copyright.html.
Please be advised that Yahoo! will provide a copy of such a counter-notification (including your name, address, telephone number and any other contact information provided by you) to Terrie Halprin. In providing a copy of the counter-notification Yahoo! will advise Terrie Halprin that Yahoo! intends to replace or re-enable access to the material in question ten (10) business days following the date of the counter-notification unless Yahoo!'s Copyright Agent receives notice that Terrie Halprin has filed a court action seeking an order to restrain you from engaging in infringing activity related to the material in question.
We wish to thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation.
Regards,
Copyright Agent, Yahoo! Inc.
copyright@yahoo-inc.com
****************************
c/o Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Ave.
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
The whole thing is absurd because A) Thalprin was the one who posted the messages! and B) There is nothing what so ever "copyrighted" in those messages! This is not a matter of someone taking text from a website or book and cut & pasting it at the MTP. I looked at one of the messages cited and see that it is nothing more than Thalprin replying to another member stating, "You're funny."
Hardly copyrighted material. If she didn't want her words to be displayed at the group then she should not have posted them there.
I called Yahoo!'s Copyright Agent and left a message telling them to simply read the messages and see with their own eyes that there is no copyrighted material posted. I told them the whole thing is BS and that am not going to be removing anything. If they are seriously affraid they are going to be sued for hosting copyrighted material then why don't they just removed the damn messages themselves?
The whole thing started a few months back when a new member at the MTP (MadTeaParty) got off on the wrong foot with some of the other members there. It lead to a series of back and forth bickering and insulting that I as the group's only moderator was having great difficulty attempting to keep the order. In the end this member claimed that she was going to report one of the other members to Yahoo! itself. Now I like to think I run a pretty fair group. Compared with 75% (if not more) of Yahoo!'s other services the MTP is rather tame. I didn't feel there was any reason to go over my head to Yahoo! as if there were any serious problem I would have as moderator taken care of it myself. Besides, reporting things said at the MTP to Yahoo! could possibly get the group disbanned. It's easy to imagine Yahoo! just shutting the whole thing down than have to deal with finding out what really was said. I told her if she or anybody else started reporting things to Yahoo! that she would be banned by me from the MTP. Why would I want such a person in the group? She got all shitty about it and started making threats. I removed her. Later I discovered an email that she had sent me personally (before I banned her) basically asking that I delete every message that everyone ever made in reply to her and she would then delete all the messages she had made:
Hatter,
I thought I'd like to write to in an attempt to see ifn we might be
able to negotiate a peaceful settlement. I am certainly not happy with the
situation as it stands. I think it is fairly clear that Ron, DB and TR
have preexisting resentments which make it impossible for them to deal with
me a/o reason this matter wiith fact or clarity. Honestly they rumor such
garbage, a hodge podge of purposelyfully misrepresentive facts about me.
On one hand, I have my own self serving interests, on the other hand, I
feel some social responsiblity. It is incorrect to harrass folks as they do
+ with character defamation and such obsenities. On the other hand, it
is not my place to stand up for others who suffer their abuses. However I
also feel that I have adequately demonstrated that one does not necc. have
to tolerate such treatment.
So, my concern, is perhaps, better suited to focus on my own self
interests.
To this respect, I am willing to offer you an incentive: if you delete all
Thalprin correspondence since I joined (all replies and responses and
posts concering me and my addy) I will delete all my posts and I will
unsubscribe.
I think it is clear that these three folks are incapable of controling
their anger and actions towards me, and, honestly, I hate to see them get
into trouble as foul mouthed, deceptive and ill mannered as they are.
Besides, I think or hope they've learned their lesson.
So, I am willing to let bygones be bygones and just act like the whole
thing never happened.
Truth is, I well realize, that they seem incapable of being able to
control themselves or stop harrassing me. They started it, and quite awhile
ago and on it will continue because that's how they intend to act + they self
reinforce each other to continue these abusive cycles. So there will
be no fun of discussion for me (and many others ie "everyone on their list" I
imagine) at MPT and MTP is unlikely to be a place I feel welcomed.
I did not realize this when I joined. That's one of the problems with folks
using so many different names. I thought the group looked fun. Then I
thought perhaps I could reason with them. Then I was angry for a bit. And now
I realize who they are and that chip on their shoulder aint going
away.
Having said this, and having made this offer, let me be clear that, I
am 100% certain that if I filed complaints I would see my requests honored
and met.
I'd perfer it not come to this. I really am quite civil. I have no
interest in disrupting your group or seeing it deleted. I had every
interest in adding to it's content. However I simply can't/won't
accept having such obsenities, misrep. and slander archived or in
circulation about me.
Give it some thought, and let me know your thoughts.
Best wishes,
Terrie
If I would have gone along with this nearly two whole months of material would of been deleted. I don't have the time for that.
She also sent me another email:
I have just a note to add, having just received a rather impolite note attempting to bully me from DB.
She claims that I have been responsible for closing more than one list,
and while I understand that she is your friend, I'd like to explain (and
demonstrate that) sometimes friends simply aren't entirely honest.
For example, in the nearly five years I have been on the net I have
seen two groups close.
The first group closing happened like this, and it was a group I liked
alot.
Three new people joined that list and harrassed me nonstop from the
get go until I wanted to leave. As much as I liked the man who ran the
list I simply couldn't remain, which, yes, is probably what they wanted.
So I wrote him a note to tell him I was leaving and he wrote me back to
say that he was going to close the list, which, yes, probably he did it to
piss these people off, which it did and they wanna blame me for. However,
I diid not force him to close his list nor did I ruin it, these other folks
did. They picked a battle, they felt they'd won a battle, and they didn't get
to enjoy the fruits of their labor, this he denied them - justly so, I think
AND unforunately, they wanna blame me.
The next list I was on I also enjoyed until, again, I was harrassed and
then (in addition) censored so as to not be able to respond. Of course,
the ranting was being allowed to be posted, but I was not being allowed to
respond. I understand that folks have friends and feel loyalty to
them, but there is also in all fairness, fairness as a right as well. And
just then the group changed flavor into such as no good/right, no bad/wrong,
and it's all consciousness/not real, instead of history, theory and maths -
basically, that which I found philosophically disharmonic with my own
thoughts. Further the owner of that list intended to keep my maths and
philos in his archive, something I found objectionable, I felt if the
list was going to have a new focus, so entirely different from my own
viewpoints that I was not going to support it or appear as if I did. When
I told the owner that I was going to delete my maths he blocked my e-mail
addy to prevent me from doing so.
I wrote him three times over a six month period to request that he not
deny my right to exercise control over my own materials. I also forewarned
him each time that it was an infringement of my IPRs. He had plenty of
time and plenty of forewarning and three sensible requests to do the right
thing.
At a certain point I had no choice but to file a complaint. There were
several actions that couldn't been taken and I was surprised the group
was closed down. I can only speculate as to why the CR agent decided that
was the correct action to take.
I am really not a horrible person, not at all, rumors and misreps
aside.
Then I get this email today from Yahoo!:
Re: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/madteaparty/
Terrie Halprin has notified Yahoo! Inc. ("Yahoo!") that copyrighted material proprietary to Terrie Halprin has been posted in connection with Yahoo!® Group madteaparty. Terrie Halprin has further notified Yahoo! that the Yahoo!® Group in question has no authorization to post the material in question:
Messages:
43941, 43942, 43945, 43946, 43948, 43964, 43965,
43966, 43967, 43968, 43970, 43971, 43860, 43863,
43865, 43867, 43870, 43875, 43878, 43880, 43883,
43888, 43889, 43767, 43768, 43771, 43772, 43774,
43776, 43780, 43781, 43783, 43785, 43877, 43879,
43800, 43801, 43802, 43803, 43804, 43807, 43808,
43809, 43679, 43681, 43686, 43687, 43688, 43692,
43694, 43695, 43697, 43699, 43702, 43707, 43708,
43601, 43608, 43621, 43623, 43626, 43627, 43629,
43632, 43633, 43634, 43635, 43647, 43649, 43650,
43651, 43652, 43653, 43654, 43655, 43514, 43515,
43516, 43517, 43518, 43521, 43522, 43523, 43524,
43526, 43527, 43538, 43539, 43540, 43541, 43543,
43544, 43549, 43551, 43417, 43418, 43419, 43420,
43421, 43425, 43428, 43429, 43432, 43435, 43439,
43440, 43443, 43444, 43445, 43446, 43448, 43449,
43452, 43259, 43261, 43271, 43272, 43273, 43275,
43356, 43363, 43364, 43365, 43368, 43369, 43370,
43371, 43381, 43187, 43188, 43189, 43191, 43193,
43194, 43195, 43200, 43201, 43203, 43205, 43222,
43224, 42225, 43226, 43227, 43229, 43109, 43110,
43111, 43112, 43115, 43116, 43130, 43128, 43136,
43160, 43161, 43162, 43164, 43167, 43080, 43081,
43086, 43087, 43088, 43089, 43090, 43092, 43094,
43095, 43096, 43101, 43102, 43172, 43175, 43177,
43031, 43053, 43073, 43076, 43077, 43078, 42923,
42924, 42945, 42926, 42927, 42928, 42936, 42939,
42949, 42950, 42951, 42962, 42981, 42982, 42989,
43002, 42845, 42846, 42848, 42859, 42865, 42900,
42902, 42903, 42905, 42911, 42913, 42916, 42917,
42757, 42759, 42760, 42762, 42763, 42770, 42771,
42772, 42775, 42776, 42787, 42792, 42794, 42795,
42796, 42799, 42704, 42705, 42706, 42708, 42710,
42711, 42713, 42714, 42715, 42716, 42718, 42719,
42720, 42721, 42722, 42723, 42725, 42647, 42648,
42644, 42645, 42647, 42648, 42649, 42653, 42659,
42660, 42661, 42663, 42664, 42665, 42666, 42667,
42669, 42674, 42675, 42676, 42537, 42542, 42545,
42549, 42550, 42573, 42574, 42586, 42587, 42593,
42596, 42619
Yahoo! respects the rights of both its users and the owners and rights holders of intellectual property. Accordingly, and in compliance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and/or other applicable federal law(s), Yahoo! intends to expeditiously remove or disable access to the copyrighted material in question. PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT UNLESS THE MATERIAL IN QUESTION IS REMOVED, OR ACCESS TO THE MATERIAL IS DISABLED, WITHIN FORTY-EIGHT (48) HOURS, YAHOO! INTENDS TO DISABLE ACCESS TO THE MATERIAL.
Through your participation in Yahoo!® Groups you agree to abide by the Yahoo! Terms of Service, as well as any additional Terms of Service, applicable to you. The current Yahoo! Terms of Service may be reviewed at: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms. Pursuant to Section 6 of the Terms of Service, Member Conduct, the use of Yahoo!® services to "upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights . . . of any party" is prohibited.
As you know, Yahoo! may terminate any and/or all services and accounts without notice. This notice is provided to you as a courtesy. Without waiving or limiting any rights or remedies Yahoo! has or may have, as the designated owner of the madteaparty group you are hereby advised that our receipt of another notification alleging the unauthorized posting of another party's intellectual property in connection with any Yahoo!® Group may result in not only the suspension of all Yahoo!® Groups for which you are the designated owner, but the termination of all of your Yahoo! services as well as the deactivation of your Yahoo! ID.
If you wish to attempt to resolve the matter by dealing with Terrie Halprin directly, Terrie Halprin may be contacted at:
By Email: thalprin@hotmail.com
If you believe that the madteaparty group was designated by Terrie Halprin by mistake or misidentification, or if you believe that the madteaparty group has not infringed the copyrights of Terrie Halprin, you may submit a sworn counter-notification as to the mistake or misidentification. To be effective, counter-notifications shall be in writing and include:
1. Identification of the material that has been removed or to which access has been disabled, including the location at which the material appeared before it was removed or access to it was disabled;
2. A statement under penalty of perjury that you have a good faith belief that the material was removed or disabled as a result of mistake or misidentification;
3. Your name, address and telephone number, and a statement that you consent to the jurisdiction of the Federal District Court for the judicial district in which the address provided by you is located (or if the address provided by you is outside the United States, you consent to the jurisdiction of the Federal District Court for any judicial district in which Yahoo! may be found), and that you will accept service of process from the complaining party or its agent; and
4. Your physical or electronic signature on the counter-notification.
Any counter-notification shall be submitted to Yahoo!'s Copyright Agent in accordance with the contact information provided at:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/copyright/copyright.html.
Please be advised that Yahoo! will provide a copy of such a counter-notification (including your name, address, telephone number and any other contact information provided by you) to Terrie Halprin. In providing a copy of the counter-notification Yahoo! will advise Terrie Halprin that Yahoo! intends to replace or re-enable access to the material in question ten (10) business days following the date of the counter-notification unless Yahoo!'s Copyright Agent receives notice that Terrie Halprin has filed a court action seeking an order to restrain you from engaging in infringing activity related to the material in question.
We wish to thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation.
Regards,
Copyright Agent, Yahoo! Inc.
copyright@yahoo-inc.com
****************************
c/o Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Ave.
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
The whole thing is absurd because A) Thalprin was the one who posted the messages! and B) There is nothing what so ever "copyrighted" in those messages! This is not a matter of someone taking text from a website or book and cut & pasting it at the MTP. I looked at one of the messages cited and see that it is nothing more than Thalprin replying to another member stating, "You're funny."
Hardly copyrighted material. If she didn't want her words to be displayed at the group then she should not have posted them there.
I called Yahoo!'s Copyright Agent and left a message telling them to simply read the messages and see with their own eyes that there is no copyrighted material posted. I told them the whole thing is BS and that am not going to be removing anything. If they are seriously affraid they are going to be sued for hosting copyrighted material then why don't they just removed the damn messages themselves?
posted by HaTtEr2k | 1:00 PM
6 Comments:
Hatter, if there's anything we at MTP can do or say to Yahoo in the group's defense, please let us know. I've got plenty of time on my hands and free long distance, lol.
If you want to send an email in defense of the MTP be my guest. The adrress you want to sent it to is copyright@yahoo-inc.com
Please entitle the email as "MadTeaParty" and explain to them that there is no copyrighted materials being posted at the group and Terrie Halprin is only lyin in an attempt to get revenge.
Try and be civil about it though.
I know this is a late time to comment but someone pointed this out to me this week and i felt i would like to respond.
For I am one of those accused form the other group that she accused of harrassment.
I thought this incident was long past but ....here it is bubbling up
from the bowels of the internet again
http://hatta2k.blogspot.com/
I think the thing that disturbs me most is the insinuation that there was malitious intent.
Perhaps this person should look at her track record of discontent in other groups...
there seems to be a pattern here.
As for the other group that closed down ...NOone was being harrassed .
We were all in shock at her accusations...even went back to read what she could have
seen like harrassment. Most of her postings were very abstract and sacred geometry.
With a lot of "that's funny" at the ends. .
She accused us too of sending harrassing emails that none of us sent.
If she was truly getting such mailings they were from someone else.
Not one of the persons accussed has ever had any mal intent toward anyone posting in any group.
Respect for exchange and chatting can be viewed/read by anyone.
They (all postings in other groups)are still on line and open to public viewing if one has the mind to do such.
Og closed down the oraganon group after her complaints, to prevent the very thing that obviously transpired here.in this post.
I am very sorry to see this sort of thing finds place and display. But then I understand there are
a lot o kooks out there who forget to take their meds.
Tanks for posting. Thalprin is obviously a very distuurbed woman. Normal people just roll with the punches but Thalprin ABSOLUTELY REFUSES. If someone told her the sky was blue and she said it was green she would more likely have that person killed than admit she was wrong. I think she feels that if any negative comment about her does not exists it is as if it never did.
Hatter,
I see that you have published my personal correspondance on your blog 'Cracked Commentary' without my consent/permission.
I'd like these letters removed, thanks.
I'd like these letters removed, or yes I think I will file a criminal complaint.
It is simply unethical/illegal to publish a person's private correspondance without that person's knowledge/consent.
And two years later, honestly, I don't even know if what you have published is even what I wrote.
I'm sorry that you can't seem to understand that there was material in your Yahoo! group from my math book. Nor do you seem to understand what constitutes malicious behavior, harrassment a/o personal attack (such as this post on your blog.)
Further, I do of course find your actions/gossip here regarding me, purposefully misrepresentative, and so I guess I will be looking into it.
You've had plenty of time to calm down a/o come to terms. It is you who never tried to work things out with me, not the other way around. And as a moderator of a Yahoo! group, certainly you were remiss in your duties.
If you intend to continue this harrassment/charade and insist upon your right to pursue the defamation of my character we will resolve this matter in court.
Best wishes,
Thalprin
It's been ages since I've done anything with this blog. Who blogs anymore? I just recently got access back (had lost my password) and had come here intent on deleting the whole thing but I think I'll at least keep this part up as it is one of the few documentations of how much of a bitch you are. You must Google yourself constantly looking to see if anyone has said anything negative about you huh? Is that how you found the Tripod account? What a psychopath you are. Publishing private emails is unethical? You sent it to me and I have a right to publish it. It is not illegal because it was addressed to me. You sending someone an email or letter is like sending them a gift. It belongs to them now. The only reason Yahoo or any of these other sites have sided with you is because I'm a free user and it's not worth the legal fees defending free speech for a non-paying customer. If you manage to get this blog deleted remember that it isn't because you're morally right but because you have money. All the lawyers in the world will not erase the memories of the people who you have wronged and their opinions of you.
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